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chessplanet7
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« on: August 30, 2007, 08:41:06 pm »

What do you think are the best books to improve tactics ?
I myself recommend the ChessCafe Puzzle Book by K. Mueller, as well as Jacob Aagaard Excelling in Calculation, and the Dvorestky Attack and Defense + volume 2 about tactics. On more simple stuff, the Nunn book or Seirawan or Z Polgar teach the basics ( I do not own the last three but I have browsed through them).

As far as sotware, the CT ART 3.0 is similar to this site. Does anyone have experience between ChessTempo and Ct ART 3.0 ? my rating is 2700 here but Ct ART 3.0 puts me around 2500 in general. CT ART also asks me to solve sub-variations and gives me points as soon as I find the first move. While here, If I find the first move but err aftewards, I may end up loosing points.

Finally, Agagard came out with a CD Right Decisions where the user has to guess the move.

On more difficult exercises, it is hard to find a lot of examples analyzed .
I came up with my own blog, where I showcase 10 positions a month.
its on
http://www.top10chess.com

in the end, do you think its faster to train online or offline, in order to "master" tactics ?




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richard
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« Reply #1 on: September 03, 2007, 11:14:23 am »

I don't have Ct ART (It doesn't run on my operating systems of choice), but it sounds like a powerful learning tool. CT ART seems to have a lot more options for tracking progress, something I'd like to improve here over the long term.

I've only read some of the books you mention. I think that software based learning has a lot more to offer here, you spend a lot less time flipping about searching for correct solutions (and for the more complex ones following them through on a real board - although some books have PGN files available with them). Software tactics training also provides computer tracked progress to help you understand how much you don't understand :-)

One of the nice things about online training at sites such as  CTS and ChessTempo is that they allow those with a competitive bent to gain extra motivation by monitoring their progress relative to others.  Not everyone needs this type of motivation, but it seems to help some.


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negoba
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« Reply #2 on: September 13, 2007, 04:08:11 pm »

I think it depends on your level.

At some point you just have to slog through alot of tactics problems and I think online is better for that.

Learning tactics, however, books with instruction are more useful, IMO. As an advanced beginner, I found Seirawan's Tactics book very useful, my favorite of his thus far (I haven't read brilliancies yet) I'm getting into coaching elementary chess players, and Books such as Bain are useful, but I think online is faster.

BTW, does anyone know of a server that does quite basic tactics problems ala Bain?

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« Reply #3 on: October 11, 2007, 08:46:23 pm »

I found useful this book:
300 Tricky Checkmates by  Wilson & Albertson
300 Tricky Chess Tactics by Wilson & Albertson
Traps and Zaps by Bruce Pandolfini    (tactics in opening)
Traps and Zaps 2 by Bruce Pandolfini (tactics in opening)

Then for novice to tactic excercises one wonderful book is Simple Checkmates by A.J. Gilliam

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« Reply #4 on: March 07, 2008, 01:21:50 am »

I think a couple of goals have to be served, and no type of training serves all of them.

1. You need to learn how to recognize basic patterns
2. You need to learn how to set up the basic patterns
3. You need to learn how to detect combinations of the basic patterns
4. You need to learn how to set up the combinations
5. You need to improve your speed, and conserve your energy, by honing your intuition about the possibility of combinations
6. You need to develop your depth of (board) vision

To improve pattern recognition and speed, Michael de la Maza advocates a method of repetition for the same large set of tactics problems. Unfortunately, you only learn those problems, and what they represent. After a few repetitions, this has diminishing returns for your board vision as well, since you begin to memorize the lines themselves without thinking about them critically.

So, you need fresh problems as well.  This will introduce new combinations, and strengthen your board vision.

A randomizing web site like Chess Tempo can't do the repetitive sets, but it can do the fresh problems well.  Unfortunately, I'm finding that I have to discount a fair number of the problems for various reasons.

Also, in a real game, when you sense a tactical combination, you take as much time as you need or as you can afford (whichever is less) before deciding on the first move (unless it's obvious).  There is no standard amount of time for a new position, and your available clock time may be completely different than last time you saw the most closely similar position on a board.  So, hard and fast timing is not realistic (though it's economical).

Finally, in a real game there are plenty of positions where you are losing or barely equal, and any tactics you suspect just aren't there.  Sometimes, it's your job just to detect and prevent an opponent's tactics.  Most problem sets completely fail to address these two circumstances (Lev Alburt's little book of 300 Chess Problems is a notable and worthy exception).

I have used CT Art 3.0, and I like it for its ability to serve many needs at once - it offers themes, difficulty levels, practice and test modes, and standard attacking patterns you are really going to see again, like attacking the fianchettoed castle position.  Plus, you can see your progress graphically, and get (nominally) rated.  And as an earlier reader stated, you get partial credit for partly correct solutions!  Grin

Convekta, the makers of CT Art, also offer both beginner's and intermediate tactics offerings, as well as training in the opening (especially traps), strategy and endgame.  I couldn't praise their efforts more highly; ICGM Maxim Blokh has done wonders...

By the way, I should point out that Dvoretsky and Nunn's work is not for the faint-hearted, and certainly not for the beginner.  If you're already rated 2500 here, you may be overestimating the capabilities of rest of us.

BTW: For the intermediate player I also recommend David Lemoir's new book: How to Become a Deadly Chess Tactician, and Minev's Mastering Tactical Ideas.

Good chess!
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« Reply #5 on: May 03, 2008, 12:35:44 am »

I found that intro books helped initially before I understood the different types of tactics. Then I was doing some CTS, which helped me quite a bit. Then I got a sligtly more advanced book (I would say good for 1100-1600) Susan Polgar's Chess Tactics For Champions http://www.amazon.com/Chess-Tactics-Champions-step-step/dp/081293671X. This book I found to be quite helpful. I sorts the tactics by type, which I think is good for learning. Then I think it is best to go back to this site or CTS to get random and varied tactical experience.

It would be nice to be able to hide the tags when doing tactics to avoid getting a hint of what to look for.

But these sites definitely improve your rating and speed of analysis... at least mine...
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