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revenant
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« on: October 06, 2008, 06:29:36 pm »

When I see short superficial comments like "bad problem" I wonder if the user realizes comments are for everyone to read, not just a personal notes facility for the individual user...  (as if they're sticking a handwritten Post-It on a file folder for future reference.)  Perhaps this misapprehension was (at least partly) behind arthur94's recent bad-comment spree?  :-)

Maybe the label and buttons could be changed to read "Share your comments" or something similar.  Especially when there are 0 comments on the given problem so far.  (When there are already 1 or more, it's obviously a bit harder for the user to get the wrong picture.)
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« Reply #1 on: October 06, 2008, 07:02:12 pm »

whenever i encounter a problem where my reaction is "no way!", i'll analyze it .. as a result, i have not yet found a CT problem i would label bad .. i will often comment on a problem i repeatedly miss on subsequent review or really have no clue about, but feel that sort of comment may be helpful to others as well .. i know it is helpful to me, since i am able to see and review my own comments .. i will, from time to time, re-visit those problems to see whether i have learned to solve it
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« Reply #2 on: October 06, 2008, 08:19:02 pm »

Good going texian.  I've seen your comments and they really do help as I agree that the "WTF?!" problems actually have the most to teach us!  Even better is when one of us users can feed the position into a chess engine and share the results.
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« Reply #3 on: October 06, 2008, 08:30:57 pm »

thanks, revenant .. i sometimes worry i am mussing up the place with my beginners perspective .. i am now slowly going back through the last 100 problems i worked reviewing the many i missed .. i've been away from tactics work and play for over three weeks now .. my chess brain still feels like i'm starting all over again, but i'm finding myself getting ones i missed  correct without the distraction of a hurricane heading my way .. maybe there is hope after all Wink
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« Reply #4 on: October 09, 2008, 10:17:54 pm »

There are a few places where brevity makes some UI features less clear than they should be.   I'd rather not get to verbose on the actual buttons (to avoid taking up too much screen real estate). I'm hoping that adding some more meaningful tooltips/mouseover texts in combination with an actual manual (perhaps done using newlook's wiki suggestion) will help with this type of clarity issue. Personally I think most people understand the comments are public, they just don't feel like spending the time on more verbose comments and use the comments more as a form of venting than sharing :-)

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« Reply #5 on: October 10, 2008, 03:18:11 am »

More power to them, since most of the time they're just setting down in text what I find myself muttering to the screen after the more abject of my failures...

Oh come on!  I was right and it marked me wrong.  Something's the matter with that computer.  I put the bishop on exactly the right square.  All that work for nothing.  What difference can it *possibly make* if it's on f6 or h6?!  My queen is going to g7 anyway!  That g-file is as wide open and empty as the raided barren coffers of the latest Wall Street bank to go under.  Here, watch!  I'll show you!  (downloads position PGN, feeds into Crafty)  Crafty, what if I go Bf6 instead of the main line, it's mate, right?!!!  So it should be an alt!  I'm posting to the Forum.

Oh...  hmm... you mean *I* get checkmated?  Well, you've only consumed 2 minutes of 2.4 GHz CPU and you're only at depth 15 so far, so I'll let you think to depth 17 just to work the kinks out  (drinks juice, watches TV, comes back)  Hmm, it seems I'm *still* getting checkmated... Guess I can't weasel out of it after all.

OK, wait, wait.  Hold the phone.  What if I transfer the bishop to f6 *one move earlier*?  See, a subtle zwischenzug.  The threat is stronger than the execution.  Only people who know what they're doing make zwischenzugs, and I'm someone who definitely knows just exactly what he's doing.  Fearless!

Aha!  It worked!  Crafty calculates it out to Mate in 41!  See?  I may not have gotten the problem "correct" (air-quotes) if you want to get technical about it, but I *could* have and I *would* have if I hadn't been momentarily distracted by mumble mumble...  Next time I'll be more careful.

Oh... you mean Bh6 one move earlier too would have been Mate in 28 instead?  Hmm...  I have to admit that's a faster more efficient solution... OK...  Well, I've seen other problems where the position was pretty much the same and Bf6 was the move there.  So I just got the positions mixed up a little.  GM Grobdanovic recommends that very line in his latest monograph on the Schlepfuffel Passive-Agressive Defensive Attack Deferred Reversed.  (yawns)  I'm bored.  Chess is a stupid game.  Why am I wasting my time on this stupid game?

(proceeds to embark on another bloodshot slaughterfest of 500 blitz problems in a row)
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« Reply #6 on: October 10, 2008, 07:11:37 am »

Lol really funny, Revenant!!!  Cheesy
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« Reply #7 on: October 10, 2008, 09:13:58 pm »

ALL THE WORK WASN'T FOR NUTTING!!! YOU LEARNED!!!!!
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« Reply #8 on: October 10, 2008, 10:44:07 pm »

I learned I'm a moron, lol
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« Reply #9 on: October 12, 2008, 09:07:13 am »

If you are a moron, then I don't know what I am, so I'd rather think of you as of an extremely intelligent person, which I am sure you are  Grin
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